to get and you know, it's hard to feel sorry for the american people on this issue when you put them back into the presidency barack obama, who ignored, ignored his own deficit panel on recommendations. on the other thing, as a tactical matter, the republicans punting, i think it's a smart thing. you know, i think if they're going to really go to battle on this thing, they've got to get their acts together and have a game plan. because i'm telling you-- >> get their ax-- >> and if we default, this country is going to go through some major, major issues, and government's going to stop working and that's going to affect a lot of people. and we have not been through, when two-thirds of the federal government has shut down. >> adam, adam, this is it, charlie put it it in a nutshell, the scare tactic, that we're obligated to this mountain of debt until it falls on top of us, if that's the only route we have. >> we are, but let me try to put this in perspective. i absolutely agree with you, charles, politicians should be prepared to lose their jobs on major issues. there comes a gut check time.